Lenovo 3000 N100 Review.

15/12/2006

This article is also crossposted at Desicritics.org and I will shortly post it to Blogcritics.org as well.

For long, the name IBM has been associated with quality, service and reliability. So when Lenovo bought out the PC division from IBM, certainly many eyebrows were raised about if this would impact their QSR (Quality-Service-Reliability) metrics. I did not think up till this point that it would change, but I am quite sadly mistaken. With my experience over the past 2 weeks working on Lenovo laptops and working with their representatives, right from call center people to high profile men in leading positions like “VP of Web Marketing”, it has been nothing short of pain, with general sense of I-dont-really-know-what-you-are-talking-about attitude displayed by all and sundry. Given that Lenovo now also markets Thinkpads, one wonders how long will it be before Thinkpads reach the trash-bin too.

I really waited. I really waited long to write this review. I wanted to give Lenovo enough chances to rectify themselves. But sadly, they went from bad to worse each step of the way, and finally when it seems like they are ready to fix my problem, their response has been too little, too snobby, too late, and perhaps not worth the time and effort I put in. There was an ulterior motive I put so much time in Lenovo – few of my best friends work with Lenovo. It would not have been fair if I were to speak ill about their workplace, unless I had any real reason to. Unfortunately, I do.

Before I get into it in detail, a brief backgrounder.

Build Quality

I and a friend of mine both wanted good laptops this season. My old Sony Vaio broke, and the other Sony Vaio that I have hardly fitted the bill. I was initially planning to buy a MAC, though the exorbitant prices put me off – Lenovo was my second choice as a stop-gap solution until I can afford a MAC. Hence, this thanksgiving, I and my friend ordered a Lenovo 300 N100 (Model: 0768-01U) from office depot. The Laptop had it all – good processor (albeit celeron), great RAM speed, Lenovo name to it, and it was a 15.4″ widescreen.

The laptop arrived 5 days later as promised. While its exterior design looked reasonably good, I have to say it was a bit unfinished sort-of. The keyboard is hard, and shockingly hackneyed in its layout. For example, they don’t have some of the most important buttons like “Page Dn”, “Page Up”, “Home”, “End” anywhere on the keyboard. Instead, you would have to use a function key to get to there – so what should have been a keyboard feature, is now a software feature that requires a combination of keys to access! Whose dumb design idea was this nobody really knows, and if anyone at http://www.lenovoblogs.com/designmatters/ is listening, they need to fix the keyboard real soon.

The laptop has the Intel 950 motherboard, a standard if you are looking at a low end laptop. Though the laptop’s sharpness and gamma levels leave a lot to be desired, it was still acceptable. Considering this is not meant to be a photo-intensive laptop, it is not that big a deal. The laptop has a really quiet hard-drive, and is almost noiseless. It was the single biggest feature I LOVED about this laptop – its freaking quiet.

However the good ended there. Right out the box, I went through the welcome screens, and setup the laptop to connect to my home wireless network to check the connectivity. And while browsing, I decided to put up some music to test out the sound card. That’s where the trouble began. I noticed that the sound quality was jittery, full of breaks, noisy and completely annoying. It seemed as if the laptop or the soundcard was choking when playing the song. This did not begin well I thought :)

I called up my friend to see if he had similar issues. I was surprised when he said he had the exact same issue and how annoying it was to hear broken and jittery sound. I had an inkling this was not going to be a software problem right then, but I decided to do some initial troubleshooting myself.

Initial Troubleshooting

I have considered myself to be quite well informed about computing hardware, and do all IT stuff myself before calling support. I hate calling support, and more often than not I discover that I can troubleshoot problems myself. My first reaction to the sound issue was it was probably a soundcard codec or driver gone bad. I immediately installed all Windows updates, the sound drivers updates, and all Lenovo updates from Lenovo. Still, the sound problem wouldn’t go. I downgraded the drivers to older versions – no change.

It was then I decided to call their support. Getting through their support line involves being reminded at least 10 times that you are talking to someone in Atlanta. I thought this was a poor choice of marketing – are Lenovo guys telling us that their call center being in Atlanta is a thumbs-up to others in various countries? This is a marketing gimmick gone wrong. Nonetheless, on my first attempt I was told my Laptop did not have warranty. I was amused – a 5 day old laptop does not have warranty? After going through their whole process of emailing my bills and serial numbers on the laptop and spending almost an hour, I was let to speak to a technical support guy finally.

Like all technical support personnel, he was too conditioned to do the drill – I didnt mind it as it is their job to do so – removed drivers, re-installed drivers, reset BIOS, upgraded BIOS – the whole nine yards. At the end of it the technical support personnel decided it was imperative I send the laptop back to service depot for repairs. I agreed, though the thought of having to send a brand new 5 day old laptop did not make me feel happy.

They were speedy – the DHL box came next day, and my laptop was serviced and returned back to me within 3 days. Yes they were that fast. However, they were also lousy.

The Trouble Begins

On receiving my laptop back, I opened it and played a music CD again. Dang! Same problem.

This did not go too well. For one thing, I had got back my laptop with lots of jargon about different parts being changed and how it was supposed to solve my sound problems. And yet, it seemed to me that Lenovo service depot did not do any sort of testing on the laptop to see if the problem had been fixed. That was negative point number one – I was shocked. How can a company send back a broken product back to me without even testing it to see if the problem had been rectified?

Angry I called up Lenovo support again. Again, I was informed that I did not have any warranty on my laptop, and again I was made to go through their sales rep and again I had to resend my information back to them before I was released to speak back to their technical support. I was angry at this point and asked that this laptop be replaced with another one. However since I had bought the laptop through Office Depot, Lenovo told me they would not be replacing it.

Office Depot though was very helpful – within a few hours of complaint, they had shipped another replacement. That was last thursday.

First Contact with upper echelons

Meanwhile I still had a broken laptop to myself, so I decided to investigate if anybody else was facing the same issue. Over researching on the web, I came across this post and this post on enquirer which spoke highly of Lenovo customer service . Traversing through them, I landed on http://www.lenovoblogs.com where as the name says, Lenovo maintains a blog. David Hill / David Churbuck write the blog on Design Matters, and I left a comment on one of their posts about the problem that I had been facing, and how disappointed I was with IBM quality.

I was immediately contacted by David Churbuck , Vice President, Global Web Marketing at Lenovo with promises that they would get back to me quickly. David’s email was quickly followed by email from Mark Hopkins, Project Manager, Customer Satisfaction. This development really impressed me. I was very impressed by the speed David got back to me and then Mark responded. For all the famous Lenovo service I had heard, I thought it was finally true. After all how many times do you get a Project Manager and a VP contacting you personally to resolve your notebook issues?

Unfortunately, I should have realized that beyond the initial frivolous email, there was nothing much that these gentlemen could do about my situation.

The Weekend Diagnosis

Over the weekend, after the initial flurry of emails, I had told David and Mark that sending back this laptop and again going through their “you have no warranty” nonsense was out of the question, and people at Lenovo should be looking at this issue. I was promised that they would expedite the case and take a look at it pronto.

During the same time, I made another discovery. The sound card just didn’t like working with the wireless card. Whenever I switched off my wireless card, the sound was great. When I connected to a wireless network, the sound got screwed up again.

This was an interesting development – I called up my friend to try it out on his laptop. And guess what? It was true: The sound card dint work well with wireless card enabled.

With this information, I immediately emailed Mark over the weekend and informed him of my discovery to help Lenovo sort the problem out. I also told Mark that upon recieving the new Laptop replacement I would verify it once more and send him a mail back again.

From bad to worse

The new laptop arrived this monday. Out of the box, same problem: Disable the wireless card, sound worked fine. Enable the wireless card, and the sound got jittery. I immediately mailed Mark again of this, and told them that they should be looking at it more seriously as I had discovered this on two different laptops, and including my friend it was three laptops of the same kind with same problem.

Mark got back to me very pro-actively about Lenovo would very seriously look at this case now that this had happened in 3 laptops, and how their engineers would give me a call to discuss more about this problem. And how they would quickly try to resolve it, perhaps through a BIOS update or software update.

I waited for a day before mailing them again – I did not get any call from their engineers about the issue hence I decided it was left to me to be more pro active about it than they were. Eventually Mark replied, and remarked that they had not been able to reproduce the problem at their end, and they believed something might be wrong in my enviornment. Mark again offered that their engineers would call me as soon as they can.

To help matters, I sent Mark a complete detailed instruction of how to reproduce the problem with every single detail they would have needed to know.

The call never came. Nor did the response from Mark.

Eventually by Thursday, my frustration level had reached pretty high. This was almost 2 weeks with broken laptop, and Lenovo had not as much gotten around to admitting there was a problem. Were they even serious? It was time to get rude.

To make my point across, I sent a very rude email to both Mark and David questioning their own capacity in their company. It seemed to me that beyond frivolous emails like “we will call you”, both of these gentlemen have zero commitment to getting things resolved. It was only fair – how many times would Mark keep telling me that he had expedited the case with their senior technical engineers, and they would call me ASAP with high priority. Well, it seemed his engineers just did not listen to them.

After this email, I finally got a response back from an engineer who first told me that he had been advised to work on my case, and then went to explain how he too had failed to reproduce the problem. He gave me the complete specs on how he performed the test, and how he did not see this issue crop up.

Only thing - he tried to reproduce the problem on a entirely different hardware all-together. While my laptop had a broadcom wireless chipset and celeron processor, his test machines were core duos and had intel wireless cards built in. One would have imagined that given the information they had at hand, they would at the very minimum test out on the same specs. But this came to me as absolute shock!

Their engineer even went on to comment that he did not have a spare laptop of my specs at hand to do the testing. I was stunned – was I being told by Lenovo that their departments are understaffed with the very products they sold?

At this point I lost my patience and shot off another email to Mark and David – this had gone from bad to worse, and it seemed Lenovo just didn’t seem to get it, nor have any resources to check for the problem. I had asked for a replacement model to this laptop for all the time I had spent explaining them and not getting anywhere, and wanted to start an official complaint.

Too little, too late

Eventually I got a call today morning by their customer relations person who told me that their engineering team determined it was a problem with the wireless card in the Laptop. This much, even I knew – Heck, I was the one who told them about it in the first place; they didn’t even know what to test before I told them to test out the wireless and sound card option. Hence they would send out a “wireless card replacement” for my laptop. Once he even asked if I could replace the card myself (which I would on other day, but not after going through this) – I declined and the customer relation personnel then made sounds about how my warranty did not cover on-site service and would I mind sending the laptop back to them or take it to a service center – I declined on both. He then proceeded to tell would do an on-site repair even though my warranty did not cover it.

I was in half a mind to tell him that it was their freaking laptop that was broken, and they had sold me Lemon – warranty or no warranty.

I asked for a replacement model again on the phone, but he sounded pretty confident that wireless card replacement would do the trick. And then if it didn’t they would consider replacing the laptop with a better equipped model of the same type, that works.

Basically in simple terms I was told that they could not care less, and the wireless card replacement was all I could get.

Final Thoughts

I had a similar experience with DELL a couple of months back in my office. Though DELL service reps were smarter – once they knew they had a problem, they didnt just replace the part – they just replaced the laptop with a newer model. My friend bought a DLP 50″ TV few months back which had an artifacts problem – he spent endless hours trying to explain his situation to Samsung – but once Samsung acknowledged there was a problem with the TV, they just replaced his TV for a better model. Now, that is customer service. Contrast this with Lenovo.

My experience with Lenovo has taught me few things:

(a) There is a serious quality assurance issue with their laptops. The fact that the soundcard and wireless card problem happened with 3 different laptops with 2 people in the same building should have been enough indication to Lenovo that there is something wrong. They couldn’t care less.

(b) Their service from top down to bottom is outright lethargic and slow, to the point of absolute disinterest. When their senior managers and vice presidents could not expedite matters, it is not a wonder then that their lower end call centers are not that spectacular either. Overall, they need a huge overall in their customer service right from top down.

(c) Company representatives should spend less time blogging and more time actually developing products.

(d) Lenovo at the end of 15 days acknowledged they had a wireless problem. Now here is the funny part – until I sent the mail last night, they were still “testing”. Suddenly they discovered they had a problem with the card? It gave an impression that at that point, they had no clue, and basically used my own diagnosis to tell me what was wrong with the laptop.

Overall

I am left with a very bad impression of Lenovo. Going by the links above, it is clear that Lenovo will bend their hands to appease people who will give them good publicity, but when an ordinary customer like me has problem, they couldn’t care less. I will be waiting for their technician to come up and replace my card.

However given the overall distaste this has left in my mouth, I will in all probability just return it back.

And my friend still is stuck in the same loop – they haven’t even got back to him.

Avoid Lenovo. They are seriously bad.

PS: A copy of all my email conversations will be attached very soon.

There are 13 comments in this article:

  1. 15/12/2006SEV say:

    Given this, it sounds as though the Thinkpads are going to be completely useless in about a year or so. Interestingly, friends who have bought Thinkpads recently have had nothing but praise for the fact that the Thinkpad is still the same Thinkpad. Nothing can come close in terms of performance and quality, apparently.

    IBM, I believe, is still in charge of the back-end of Thinkpads for another coupla years.. I would have to put a year as the latest at which I would trust them now; given your experience.

    You learn something new everyday.

    And its a possibility that the VP and SM that you were in touch with, were just titular :)

  2. 18/12/2006GuNs say:

    Hey hey hey, Mr. stupendous….

    Since when did CELERON become a great processor?

    LOL, is that the reason why you are away from blogging for so long?

    -PeAcE
    –WiTh
    —GuNs

  3. 18/12/2006Supremus say:

    @Sev: I think Thinkpads are eventually going stinkpads way. Just wait till Lenovo gets a hold of it. Overall satisfaction rating on these laptops: -100 hehe :D

    @Guns: Do your research buddy :D – a processor with 1 Mb Cache cannot be considered sub-standard. It is of course paler in comparison with dual core or core 2 duos, but it doesnt make it a bad processor. Yes, it is one of the reasons I was away from blogging hehehehe – getting the idiots at Lenovo to understand the problem itself was a major headache.

    S

  4. 18/12/2006Vivek say:

    Suyog,

    Too bad you had to go through such a harrowing experience. Never used IBM or Lenovo so may be I am just fortunate? VIAO was great. But now it’s become obscenely expensive and little ROI (in terms of feature).

    I recently bought a new laptop from Dell. Thankfully never had to use their support and have been happy.

    Now before you start feeling envious, I have been having nightmares of my own from HSBC India ( regarding getting a simple NOC to get my flat registered!). I was thinking may be stuff like this just happened back home, us Indians being brought up in a socialistic setup with zero responsibility employment security and everything, but now it appears to be a global problem with CR reps everywhere. Pathetic

    Regs,
    Vivek

  5. 21/12/2006jEDI say:

    I expected better from IBM. I’d like to get a Mac as well, as soon as they get anywhere close to a realistic price. In the meantime I’ve been thinking of getting a Thinkpad for a while now, just to fill the gap. After reading this review though, I feel a bit uneasy. Honestly!

    -jEDI

  6. 21/12/2006David say:

    I run into major maker support issues all the time while resolving issues for clients who have neither the time (or patience) or technical expertise to call “tech support” personnel on their bullshit.

    The two best in my experience, which may not be typical but is my own?

    Sony and Toshiba.

    A recent idiosyncratic boot issue with a Sony laptop was resolved over the phone, after a very registration helpful walkthrough (the user had not properly registered the thing earlier) with a customer service rep on the way to a very simple procedure from Sony a tech.

    And my wife’s experience with her Toshiba notebook is typical of Toshiba tech support in my experience: no need even for a call. It was a known issue recently discovered on her (very new) model with both a dignostic/workaround procedure and a patch download for her notebook readily available on the web.

    Contrast that with the typical obscurantist navigation (“How can we hide a solution from you today?”) and diagnostic procedures at other major manufacturer websites, obstructionist customer “service” personnel (“How can we encourage you to just go away and stop bothering us?”), and dumbass, ignorant and outright stupid tech support personnel.

    *sheesh*

    I knew IBM when it was IBM. Compaq used to be terrific for tech support (well, except that it’s never had decent web support–all the help has benn there, just well-hidden). HP was once pretty decent.

    No more, IMO. Oh, IBM will still give good service to its business clients who have IBM service contracts. Absolutely–IBM quality. But consumers are now completely at rhe mercy of Lenovo. *spit*

    HP/Compaq and others (I can recall when Gateway even had decent tech support) have succombed to the trend to cut everything to the bone. Consumers buy cheap computers (not just inexpensive, cheap: with cheap parts, manufactured cheaply) and still companies have to cut somewhere to keep the price point low.

    That somewhere, it’s now obvious across the board, is support.

    I was recently told by HP that a client had one recourse: take it in to “an authorized repair center” which in this area is Best Buy and them alone.

    Not an option for them, cos the “techs” at Best Buy in this area are known for charging to NOT fix computers.

    It’s all over the place. The triumph of “push the crap out the door and let ‘em use their warranty as toilet paper” business ethics, IMO.

  7. 23/12/2006Alaa M. M. say:

    hi I am from UAE and I bought a lenovo 3000 N100 1.6
    first time i used was very well but then i found a lot o problems i want to mention some of them
    firs : sound problem ( The sound card just didn’t like working with the wireless card. Whenever I switched off my wireless card, the sound was great. When I connected to a wireless network, the sound got screwed up again.)
    sometimes i heard noising..
    second: i had to format my lenovo to put an xp profissional instead of xp-home edition… since that i found toooooo slow in starting up too slow during processing so I sent my laptop to the sevice center and I told them about the problem >>>so what they did ,they made a format with no warranty cover with missing lots of drivers idintifing like cam and vidio-card any way the prob not fixt the slowing still, exactly taking 3 minits and more so u can start working.

  8. 19/02/2007JB say:

    Thank you for blogging about your Lenovo N100 nightmares! I was almost ready to order this model last week until your review made me decide otherwise. I love what used to be IBM quality before it became “Lenovo.” If the quality of their laptops degrades that fast, I will simply turn to other brand names.

    Your review of Lenovo N100 is such an eye-opener not on the quality of the laptop right down to after-sales support (which leaves much to be desired).

    BTW, I am seeing a trend in the general degradation of customer support in another product: HP. Similarly, the customer reps CANNOT identify the problem and they are so painfully useless in arriving at a solution. So, stay away from HP, too.

  9. 20/03/2007qincy say:

    I’ve read so many praises (no bad things mentioned) about this laptop and was thinking to get one. but since you’ve used and experienced it yourself, i think you’re more trustworthy.

    but now, i have to look for other options.

    I am using a toshiba which has been ok and stable, if it was not the maintenance service that enrage me by replacing a cheap, fault CD-Rom drive for me, right before my warranty was due. that’s the only reason that i want to get rid of this brand.

  10. 20/03/2007pagster say:

    I have to say – that my dad bought this computer (3000 N100) because of the Office Depot sale. This computer is seriously the worst investment I’ve encountered. Several of my friends – all computer engineers and computer science majors – said that something inside was wrong. We stopped all the processes, removed any junk – but this computer still failed to perform.

    I’ve tried contacting support but they seem to always be busy (heh, wonder why?). My problems are as follows:

    1) My wireless is really bad. I’ve sat in a classroom where my friends on either side of me where using their internet while my 3000 N100 said there was no signal anywhere near me.

    2) Something is wrong with the computer in general – all sensitive tests (video editing, games, etc.) all report 100% choke (read: this is bad) even when nothing goes on. In games, I have the minimal resolution (read: people start to look like black boxes), no details, and yet – I can’t walk around without the computer slowing down.

    3) My DVD-R drive is defective. It cannot read DVDs, and whenever it’s active (read: spinning), the sound card disables and everything comes out like “th-th-i-i-i-i-is-is-is-is.”

    4) When burning DVDs or CDs, my read/write speed never exceeds 1x. What’s the point of a 16x drive that can’t go beyond 1x?

    5) The soft keys are poorly engineered. Besides the inconvenience of the “home” and “end” keys being soft keys (read: this means you need to press [function] and [home] instead of just [home], like on a normal keyboard).

    Also, the volume controls are within the laptop (compared to the Dell, whose laptops allow you to change the volume while the laptop is closed). More annoying is how you can’t hold down the volume keys to continually change the loudness. This means, if you’re at volume 20 and you want to get to volume 5, you have to press Volume down 15 times instead of holding it down, like any normal product would do.

    6) The screen itself can’t lay flat with the keyboard… I guess this was designed this way, but yeah. It’s something unexpected and to me, useless.

    7) It comes with a bunch of bundled software that clogs up your computer experience.

    Yeah – so I really wish I read these comments before my dad bought this. If I could get a refund, I would pay for the airmail shipping to them and then buy something that works the way it advertises.

  11. 7/04/2007vandna say:

    mine works well…ever since i bought it..about to be a year..
    i wonder how you all are having so many problems..my fingers crossed ! :-D

  12. 30/04/2007Brandon say:

    i got a lenovo 3000 laptop an i hate the ‘fn’ key!!!!! email me if u know how to change it… grapeboy_brandy@hotmial.com

  13. 14/05/2007Benito Camelas say:

    I just bought a Lenovo Z61t and I was expecting a much better quality than what I found. The case flex in a couple of places, and two keys (alt and control) are already loose, after something like 5 h of use. I now miss my Toshiba Tecra…